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Monday, April 27, 2015

Charles Gaba and ACA Indifference; A Dangerous Reality

Charles Gaba via his ACA keeps is diligent in informing on the reality of the Right in the context of the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare). Unfortunately, facts point to a distorting trend for others beyond the regressive and motive oriented GOP. Far too many have little to no idea the significance of the ACA and its developing acceptance (and enrollments). We expect indifference and loathing from the Right; seeing more indifference and lack of knowledge from supposed progressive is factually disheartening and dangers to the good of the greater society.

Gaba's work and continued diligence in archiving a critical aspect of US History.

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A few days ago, posted the results of their own survey about the ACA, which showed pretty much exactly the same results as both the Bloomberg News and Kaiser Family Foundation polls released last week: Obamacare still isn't exactly beloved, but acceptance/approval of the law has been gradually (if grudgingly) increasing ever since the ugly rollout of the ACA exchanges a year and a half ago:

I didn't bother posting about this poll because it seemed a bit redundant; all 3 surveys asked questions in different ways, but the results are pretty consistent across the board.

However, thanks to Jim Drake for bringing to my attention this post by Jonathan Cohn and Mark Blumenthal over at the Huffington Post, which looks at the more #FacePalm-inducing responses to a different question:
But the most revealing part of the YouGov poll was a more specific question about how people perceive the Affordable Care Act’s performance -- specifically, whether respondents think the number of people with insurance has increased, remained the same, or fallen over the last 12 months.
The question is revealing because it broke out response by partisan identification. Among Democrats, 77 percent said the number of people with insurance had risen, while just 9 percent said it had decreased. But among Republicans, just 43 percent thought the number of people with insurance had increased, while 21 percent said it had decreased.
Facts don't matter to these people. Math doesn't matter to these people. Logic and reality don't matter to these people. 25% of Republicans think that the number of Americans insured is the same today as it was a couple of years ago, and another 21%--over 1 in 5--actually think that fewer people are insured today. It's insane.

Now, to be fair, about 13% of Democrats/Independents (combined) think the insured rate hasn't changed, and 12% of Dems/Indys are also utterly detached from reality as well, and I'm reading them the riot act just as fiercely as I am to 46% of the GOP.

If anything, I should be even more furious with the 16% of Democrats who are this clueless. I expect today's Republican to be completely ignorant of anything having to do with the Affordable Care Act, but I expect more out of Democrats.

On the other hand, this certainly helps explain some of the other results from YouGov as well as Bloomberg and KFF. Overall, 29% of the public has their information dead wrong...which just happens to match up perfectly with the 29% who are crying REPEAL! over at the Kaiser survey and very close to the 35% in Bloomberg's study.

This is just...sad.

Tuesday, February 25, 2014

Do 71 Percent Of Obama Voters Regret Voting For Him In 2012? Not True!

You have to check this out. Compliments to the Tampa Bay Times for digging deep.  

These are the sorts of polling and polling reporting that contributed to Mitt Romney filing to develop a concession speech in 2012.  Karl Rove has pumped the Right with so much flawed survey data, the completely ill-equipped and naive Mitt Romney committed a political. Of even more significance political independent Americans vote along the same lines as the leanings of poll results. Hardcore Right voters will vote for any right-wing candidate even if the candidate campaigns to run a natural gas pipeline together their living rooms. Hardcore Left voters will vote for their candidate even if the candidate goes hyperbolic about "personally" plugging potholes int their streets.   

Political operatives who develop survey questions are masters at extrapolating campaign-able results rooted in responses to questions.

Over the course of the week I was pooled by a caller who was apparently hired to deliver results to conservative political entities. One very obviously manipulative questions was related to the (exact quote) "2014 General Elections." The 2014 elections are referred to as "Mid-term" elections with the vernacular "General elections common reserved for elections inclusive of the US Presidency.  The nature of the question for the politically less informed or the rushed (less attentive) listener could very well yield results well-off from the respondent's true thoughts about 2014 vs 2016. 

My example is well shy of the level of manipulation delineated in the Punditfact piece to follow. The following insert is extracted from the first paragraph of the piece: a great sentence construct with linked words to show the extent to which Right-wing media ran with the false information.a
"Poll:71% of Obama supporters 'regret' voting for his reelection." (Those all link to different websites.)

The Truth-O-Meter Says:

A poll shows 71 percent of Obama voters regret voting for him.

Bloggers on Tuesday, February 18th, 2014 in conservative blogs

Do 71 percent of Obama voters regret voting for him in 2012?


For President Barack Obama’s opponents, word of his latest downfall was stunning and welcome.

Headlines and tweets all said just about the same eyebrow-raising thing: "Poll:71% of Obama supporters 'regret' voting for his reelection." (Those all link to different websites.)

The purported statistic from a poll was the focus of a Washington Examiner post last week that spread quickly through conservative blogs, social media, radio and online forums. Tweets about the news by big guns like Fox & Friends and various accounts with smaller reach were hard to miss.
But the news is wrong. PunditFact will explain why.
The origins of the claim did not even mention the news about regretful Obama voters in its Feb. 17 writeup of a new poll.
The story that accompanied the poll, headlined "Mitt Romney’s phantom campaign," explored whether Romney is viewed more favorably ahead of the 2016 presidential election given more positive media buzz about a Netflix documentary about him. (The answer, based on their polling data, is not really.)
YouGov polled about 1,000 voters over two days in early February, asking voters of Romney and Obama if they would make the same decision today that they did in November 2012. YouGov found 90 percent of Romney voters would vote for Romney again, while 79 percent of Obama voters said they would stick with Obama.
Of the remaining 2012 Obama voters, 10 percent said they would not vote for him again, and 11 percent said they were unsure.
The 10 percent who would not vote for him again got a follow-up question: Do you regret voting for Obama?
Of 35 people in that group, 25 said yes. That's 71 percent.
So of the people who voted for Obama, 396, 6 percent said they had regrets.
In the eyes of YouGov assistant editor William Jordan, this was not worth mentioning in the original write-up.
"We did not think it surprising that the small number of voters who said they would no longer voted for Obama now regretted voting for him," he said.

Breaking free from the facts
This is where things get messy.
The next day, Washington Examiner columnist Paul Bedard published a story (since updated) that picked up on the people who said they regret voting for Obama.
Bedard wrote that 71 percent of Obama voters regret voting for his re-election.
"Over seven in 10 Obama voters, and 55 percent of Democrats, regret voting for President Obama’s reelection in 2012, according to a new Economist/ poll," he wrote. (The Economist has collaborated with YouGov in past polls, but not this one.)
Those words sprung to life, appearing on news aggregator Drudge Report, spreading across Twitter, and landing on sites like and World Net Daily. It seeped into partisan radio broadcasts, including on Rush Limbaugh’s show, and even a down-the-middle San Diego morning TV show.
Conservative blog Hot Air was the exception. It urged its readers to ignore stories about the 71 percent statistic.
Why? YouGov, while correctly reporting its sample sizes and percentages in its tables, left off an important disclaimer in describing who got question. No one realized it until someone asked about it the day after posting the results.
The description about the "regrets" question should have said, "Asked of those who reported voting for Barack Obama in 2012 but would not vote for him if the election was held again."
Instead it said, "Asked of those who voted for Barack Obama in 2012." That language suggests a sample size of 396 voters, not 35.
"The 71 percent who regretted voting for Obama, which was picked up by various media outlets, is of the 3.5 percent (35 of 999 respondents) of the sample who said they voted for Obama in 2012 and would not vote for him today," Jordan said.
YouGov fixed its truncated filter. Bedard, at the Examiner, rewrote parts of his story and changed the headline to, "Poll: Only 79% of Obama voters would vote for him again."
But there’s no recall button for bad information on the Web. This one spread like a bad chain email.
Our ruling
Reports on blogs, television, radio and Twitter said a poll showed 71 percent of Obama voters regret voting for him.
The number is widly high, based on incomplete wording in a poll report and a less-than-perfect reading of that report by news organizations.
Surveys require a great deal of attention from pollsters and reporters alike, especially ones with political overtones, said Karlyn Bowman, a polling analyst at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. As the sample size shrinks, the margin of error rate expands.
Point being, while the overall YouGov poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.8 percentage points, the question about regret would have a much higher margin of error.  
"You’ve got to be really careful when you’re looking at subsamples of subsamples of subsamples," Bowman said.
In this case, that didn’t happen. We rate this claim Pants on Fire.

Independents be aware, you are a target!